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BetwixtTheStitch message #241
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 18, 2014 at 10:31:41 AM
 
Melanie,
Yes I do. Wink
I ordered the L hook from Herrschnerr's, I've not seen it at the big box stores.
Now that I think about it, I saw the P and Q hooks at the itty bitty Micheals near me too.

The thing I really disliked about knitting was the fact that it was soooo slow in comparison to crochet. But that whole "getting a run if you drop a stitch", pretty much clenched it for me not caring for knitting. Tongue Out

Update on the cabled scarf, I still think the TKS is too tight with the N hook so I frogged it and started over with the P and now I'm happy with it. Kiss The smaller hook might work well with a light worsted like SS, but not so much with RH.

I saw that on the news last night about the arctic vortex. Frown Doesn't look like we'll be getting quite as cold this time, but cold enough.
Sending very warm thoughts your way.


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Stitchboard Admin message #242
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 19, 2014 at 12:07:06 AM  (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #1)
 
Sherry,

Hee hee, knew you were in as desperate "need" as I am for hooks!  Wink

Oooh, they have them at Michael's?!  Is this something new?  Because remember, the only thing I could find was that H hook, at Michael's, not JoAnn's.  Yell  But if this is new, they may have gotten that in.

Just made a few calls...argh, JoAnn's doesn't carry them here...they said to go to the superstore, which isn't even close by.  Yell

Michael's has them (out of stock on the Q hook), for $7.99, ouch.

They have P, Q and that L hook!  I would never have thought so!

You know, I initially had the same problem with knitting!  It was way too slow.  Yell  I finally gave up.

What changed it for me was an elderly woman I saw knitting on a commuter train.  She was knitting along soooooooooo fast...I watched her, trying to determine her secret, to memorize what she was doing, and as soon as I could get to my books, I realized the only thing that was different was she'd held the yarn in her left hand, not her right hand, the way I'd learned.  The lightbulb went on.  As soon as I switched hands, everything else fell into place.

Otherwise, I probably never would have picked up knitting.

The dropped stitch thing can be annoying, that's for sure!  Yell  Thankfully, I don't drop them often.  LOL, just often enough to cause cursing fun for the whole family.  Wink

Thanks!  That's good to know about the hook...I'm going to have to wait until I get a P hook, then, to do any TKS with RH.  Oh, well, no biggie.  Plenty of other stuff to do, and I still have a mountain of dischloths left, sigh, plus the other two projects with which I consulted with you.  Undecided

Exactly...it's not supposed to be as cold...but it's supposed to hold on longer.  Yell  Thank you for the warm thoughts...greatly appreciated!  Kiss


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BetwixtTheStitch message #243
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 19, 2014 at 9:47:52 AM  (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #2)
 
Melanie,
That's really interesting, my granny held her yarn in her left hand as well, which is what she taught me.
Of course she was pretty fast, so maybe it's just me. Cool

The P hook works well with the RH for me, if your stitches are looser you may want to try the L. This is supposed to be fun. Wink

I think I may need to get that Q hook before I start hubby's Cowboy throw, the yarn I found in the right shade of gray is Caron One Pounder which is the tiniest bit thicker than RH. Won't really know for sure til I try it.


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Stitchboard Admin message #244
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 19, 2014 at 6:02:39 PM  (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #3)
 
Sherry,

Wow, maybe trying the English method would have helped!  That was what I couldn't handle.  Undecided  I wonder if it would have worked for you.  Kiss

Are you right-handed?  Smile  Guessing you are...but if you're left-handed, that might explain why Continental knitting gave you problems.  Smile  Otherwise, it sounds like it was the wrong technique for you...everyone is different, of course!  Kiss

LOL, my stitches are looser...but I'm thinking I'll try the P hook first, if I can get one in the near future.  Also have some idea for which I need a particular shade of blue yarn.  Thinking of offering it for free as an "introductory" thing, then offering it for $5 later on.  Still "baking" it...only half-baked right now.  Wink  Of course, I first have to get out from under this mountain of frigging dishcloths before I do anything else!  Frown  Sigh.  Can you tell I'm so burned out on them?!  It will be such a relief to finish those stupid things and start with something - anything - else, like the other gifts that aren't dishcloths!

The Q hook sounds like an excellent idea for your hubby's Cowboy throw.  Kiss  It should also "stretch" your yarn supplies out that much more, tiny difference though it will be, plus, the throw will be toasty warm and thick!  Kiss

I'm going to go with my gut and probably will get a P hook first...I do want to try a Q and also an L, though, and it's such a shame that I'd have to try them one at a time, rather than have all three sitting before me.  But then, there are good chances I'll have them all by the time I get to the fun stuff at this rate!  Undecided  As much as I hate stopping to write things down, sigh, I do love designing!  Kiss


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BetwixtTheStitch message #245
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 20, 2014 at 9:26:13 AM  (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #4)
 
Melanie,
Yes I'm right handed, though I can "operate" an afghan hook with my left hand. Wink

Even with crochet, I hold my yarn with my left hand and use my left fingers to control it though.
The P hook is probably best if your working with RH worsted or similar.
 
Like you, I couldn't buy them all at once either, but the Q is next on my list.

Yeah, I hear you, I don't like stopping to write it down either, even harder to sit at the computer and polish it up. Tongue Out

Not working on anything I have to actually think about right now though, caught a cold or something that kind of keeps my head aching for the moment. Tongue Out


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Stitchboard Admin message #246
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 20, 2014 at 7:55:46 PM  (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #5)
 
Sherry,

Wow, that's great how you can crochet with your left hand using an afghan hook!  I've tried with regular hooks (can't imagine the afghan hook would be at all different for me), and I can't do it.

I hold my yarn with my left hand no matter what...crochet...knitting.  Either way.  It's more comfortable for me that way.  I've tried with the right hand, but there's no way I can do it.  Undecided

I tend to agree...I think the P hook will work best for RH worsted.  The advantage of that, as well, is it will take less time, since the stitches will be larger and cover a bigger area with less of them, if that makes sense.  Smile

Oh, yeah, at those prices, it's a lot harder to get more than one at a time.  Frown  I can't believe they're so expensive!

It's very hard to write things down, and like you said, going from written instructions to the computer is also difficult.  Yell

I'm sorry you've got a cold and hope it goes away quickly!  Feel better soon!  Lots of healing thoughts and hugs to you.  Kiss


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BetwixtTheStitch message #247
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 21, 2014 at 9:16:58 AM  (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #6)
 
Melanie,
With a P hook, I'm getting 3.25 st per inch (forgot to mention that earlier), so they are larger and have the look of loose knit. The cables really "pop" too.

I've put the scarf aside for now, until the fuzziness and headache subside, but when I pick it back up I'll measure the rows.

Since I don't really want to work on anything complicated, I decided to make TKS swatches with different sized hooks to demonstrate how forgiving it is. Smile

You know how I hate swatching, but I think this is an important point to make.

Thank you for the healing energy. Kiss I'm pretty sure it's not that nasty swine flu that's going around, had that back in the 70's so I think I'm immune to that one. Wink


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Stitchboard Admin message #248
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 21, 2014 at 10:23:48 PM  (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #7)
 
Sherry,

I bet the "loose knit" look is better...that stich is so thick, it doesn't really matter how it looks from the outside, as it would still have the same warmth.  Kiss  And I'm sure the cables look wonderful now that the stitches aren't all smooshed together!  Kiss

Yeah, it's no use working when you can't think...when that happens, I generally mess up whatever it is, sigh, and in trying to fix it, usually make it worse.  Yell

TKS swatches sound like the perfect project for a no-brainer, not-wanting-to-think-a-lot time!  Smile

Yes, I agree...it is an important point, and one most people don't realize!

I definitely hope you're immune to the swine flu!  Do you get flu shots?  We always get them every year...learned the hard way, the year hubby got the flu and gave it to me on Christmas day.  Nothing was open, we were a few years away from getting our local 24 hour Walgreen's and I was cooking dinner when the symptoms started showing up.  Yell  I had to wait all the rest of that day and overnight until we could get out for some flu meds.  What a difference!  Ugh, it was nasty...yet probably not half as bad as the swine flu!

BTW, we happened to be out by that JoAnn superstore...they had a hanger for the hooks (marked LPQ, so apparently, they carry all three) and not one was in stock in any size!  Yell

Sending more healing thoughts and hugs to you!  Kiss


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BetwixtTheStitch message #249
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 22, 2014 at 9:23:04 AM  (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #8)
 
Melanie,
What's interesting about working these swatches is that when done side by side, you actually do see a minute bit of difference in them.

I probably shouldn't say it, but no I don't get flu shots. I've had, or been exposed to so many different viruses in my working career that I just don't get really sick anymore.
Miserable like now, but not enough to send me to bed or anything.

It's the bacterial things like strep that still knock me out, and there's no shot for that.

What a shame they were out of stock. I can't imagine that they sell that many of them, so they must not be stocking very many. Undecided

I'm sending my grandaughter to get crickets today, so I don't have to get out. Otherwise I'd be tempted to go look for a Q hook as well. Wink I'm still tempted to have her look for me.






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Stitchboard Admin message #250
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 22, 2014 at 11:49:53 PM  (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #9)
 
Sherry,

As dull as they are, swatches really do serve a purpose!  It must be very satisfying to place them side by side and see those subtle differences.  Smile

Glad you don't catch the flu, then!  I don't get sick often (knock wood), but I do remember what it was like to get that flu and have no OTC meds for them.  Yell  That was miserable enough to push me to get that flu shot every year now!

Ugh, strep...I had it twice...then I thought I had it a few more times thereafter.  The first two times it was, but it must have been pretty mild...I had a sort-of sore throat, enough to seek medical attention, yet not super bad.  (I was very fatigued, though.)  The rest of the time, I had bad, bad allergies.  Yell

The guy at JoAnn's had said they were changing up their stock, so they were clearing some stuff out and making room for the new, where he felt these hooks were part of the "new."  I don't know.  I did go to Michael's today (coupon), and now...ta da...P hook!  Laughing  So I'm ready for that sweatshirt bottom.  I'll see how loose it looks to know if I really want to go bigger or smaller.  Oh, and I met two lovely young women there...beginning crocheters...and I gave them a card with the site info to join!  Kiss  I'm so excited for them...well, long ago though it was, I vividly remember the excitement of beginning crochet.  Kiss

Did you have your granddaughter get a Q hook for you?  I saw one...the package looked like it had been opened, though.  Frown  They didn't have any other Qs.  Oh, well, P is the first one I want to try, anyway, after I get out from under the mountain of dishcloths.  Tongue Out


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BetwixtTheStitch message #251
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 23, 2014 at 9:42:51 AM  (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #10)
 
Melanie,
Doing these swatches proves what I've been saying though. The tiny changes don't make enough of a difference to matter.
I"m working with RH worsted, all from the same skein. All of my swatches are 24 st. wide, with one row of TPS, then 24 rows of TKS, then bind off.

I started with an I hook and worked up, then sudenly when I got to the L hook, BAM! huge difference.

Next I want to weigh them to see how much difference there is in yarn usage. Then I'll go ahead and wash and shape them to see how they act. Wink

It seems that I meet beginners all the time at Jo Ann. Kiss So much fun to talk to them and bring up those memories from when we first started, and maybe think to pass on a tip or two.
I did have her get the Q hook for me, I'm going to do a swatch with it too. I really think it's probably too big for this yarn, but I still have to try it and be sure. Smile


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Stitchboard Admin message #252
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 23, 2014 at 9:43:23 PM  (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #11)
 
Sherry,

I'm sure you're right about the tiny changes not making much difference.  Smile  Though I would guess the caveat there is one still has to watch gauge for fitted garments, since a fraction of an inch can throw off the entire thing.  Yell  Sigh, been there, done that.  When I was first starting, I guesstimated more than a few times because I was too lazy to make a swatch with more than one or two hooks.  Frown  I thought there would be so little difference, I'd simply go up or down one size and all would be fine...it wasn't.  Frown

That sounds like the perfect size for a swatch.  Kiss  Does the beginning row of TPS help stabilize it?

Wow, is there that much of a difference between K and L?  Truthfully, I don't think I'd heard of an L hook before.  And I thought P was a kind of unusual size!  Maybe it's simply that most places don't tend to carry the more unusual sizes.  I'd never seen an N until Walmart (kind of odd, since they discontinued so much to reinstate fabrics, sigh), and I don't think I knew there was an L until you mentioned it!

Oooh, how different are they on the weight?  That sounds interesting!  Smile  Can't say I've ever weighed swatches, but it would be very nice to know how much difference there is!

I think it's also a good idea to wash and shape.  I know acrylic doesn't technically have to be blocked, but it always makes me feel better to wash it first.

Isn't it wonderful meeting up with beginners and reflecting back on the earlier days of making beautiful things, when it was all brand new?!  Kiss  And helping people is so much fun!  Kiss

The Q hook looked huge to me.  Matter of fact, it was misplaced in the spot for the P hook, so when I first pulled it off of the hanger, I actually thought that was the P hook!  I think Q will be better for bulky...and hopefully not too small for it!

Can't wait to hear how the Q swatch turned out!  Kiss


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BetwixtTheStitch message #253
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 24, 2014 at 10:33:14 AM  (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #12)
 
Melanie,
The tiny little difference would matter in a garment, yes.
However I don't think the fabric made with the smaller hooks is even suitable for garments as it's much too stiff and bulky, has no "drape" to speak of. Tongue Out

Keeping in mind that this is just about worsted yarn worked in TKS.
I did the same experiment with Caron SS worsted (stopped after K hook, because I ran out of scrap yarn) and though it is softer, the results were much the same.

Well a K hook is 6.5 mm, the L jumps to 8 mm, which would explain the drastic difference.
The N is 9 mm and the P is 10 mm, then the Q jumps to 15.75 mm.

I did some small swatches with the Q and it's loose enough to be kind of lacy like a drop stitch, so there certainly are applications for it. Wink

I can use the label to figure out how many feet (or inches) are in a gram, then weigh the swatches in grams to find the yarn usage. Seems a lot easier than unraveling it and measuring (which I wouldn't do anyway). Embarassed

As for the first row of TPS, it really doesn't help much to do just one row of it until you get up to the L, and by then the curl isn't so bad anyway.

This experiment turned out to be more fun than I'd thought, though I forgot to weigh them before I washed them. Now I can't wait to do my final measurements, and the weighing process.
May not get to that today since granddaughter wants to learn to make my home made hot pockets.
We've been false laboring, so this will keep her busy for today. Kiss


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Stitchboard Admin message #254
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 25, 2014 at 12:37:28 AM  (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #13)
 
Sherry,

Sigh, which is why I don't really enjoy making swatches for garments...necessary evil, but such a chore!  Surprised

I agree...anything TKS made with a smaller hook would be very stiff.  Maybe a scarf would be okay, but that's about it!

I'm glad you did only the TKS and the worsted weight, because the results are invaluable!  Kiss  WW seems to be the most commonly available size.

It's not surprising that SS worked the same...it is a worsted weight, after all, and though it may be softer and thinner, the stitch itself is so big, I'm sure it behaves exactly the same with all of that yarn bulk in each stitch.

K to L is a huge difference!  What are you measuring?  Is that the distance around the hook part?

L to N (and N to P) aren't quite so drastic, but wow, P to Q is enormous!

Q sounds like it's good for producing certain effects with worsted.  Smile  I'd really like to get one to try on bulky yarn, or perhaps two strands of worsted.  It sounds like a very interesting experiment!  Smile

Oh, yeah, unraveling and measuring would be annoying!  Better off weighing it and then calculating, as you're doing.  Kiss

That curl is such a pain.  Glad it's not so noticeable from L on up.

Can't wait to hear your final results!  Kiss

Awww, hope you're having fun with your granddaughter.  Kiss  The homemade hot pockets sound delish!  Kiss  The false labor part doesn't, so I hope she's okay!  Undecided


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BetwixtTheStitch message #255
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 25, 2014 at 9:27:46 AM  (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #14)
 
Melanie,
I took those hook measurements straight from the packages, I'm assuming that it refers to the "working shaft" of the hook since that's where we get the size of loop we make. Though I could certainly measure it myself with my gem calipers, I think I will just to be certain, lol. Laughing

It occurred to me last night that there is a missing component in those calculations.
If an I hook swatch has the same number of st as an L hook, but the L hook swatch is exponentially larger, just figuring out the yarn usage doesn't answer the question as to whether using the larger hook would result in less overall yarn usage, hope that made sense. Undecided
To get a complete picture of that, I have to make the I swatch to the same dimensions as the L swatch, then compare those calculations straight across. Doesn't that sound dull?

Funny thing is, that in my mind it serves a higher purpose, (knowledge gained) and that makes it interesting enough to be worth the doing. Kiss

We had a great time yesterday, taught her to make bread dough and then we filled the rolls with seasoned ground beef, onions, green peppers, tomatoes, and cheese.

She's 1 1/2 weeks from her due date and ready for the baby to come, but fine otherwise.
Just all part of the process. Wink


Sherry

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