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Re: Tunisian gauge
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message #226
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 10, 2014 at 11:39:30 PM
Sherry,
I agree...I haven't seen the decorative tea towels in a long time, other than the friend who would get them made by a relative. Obviously an older relative.
I've only ever made embroidered hankies...they were supposed to be a gift for someone who actually
used
hankies (hard to believe in this day and age, huh?! Definitely an anachronism), but there were other factors that caused me to abandon the project.
Oh, lucky you! I'm jealous...but happy you only have one spa set left. I still have a
mountain
of dishcloths left, sigh.
So what do you think will be first on the agenda for your "playing"? I'm not even close, but keep thinking about the bottom of that sweater in TKS...also am thinking of some of those bracelets. Waaaah, I want to be done with dishcloths!
Sigh.
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #227
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 11, 2014 at 9:50:33 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #1)
Melanie,
Well you know I'm not going to just work on one project at a time.
I still want to do a Cowboys throw for hubby now that I've found the right shade of gray.
I've also been wanting to try a cabled scarf pattern I found. The cables are done to look like squares, but I want to do it in two different colors to give it even more contrast.
It's a gift for my son's fiance and she chose a deep gray and maroon which is going to be gorgeous. There's a matching hat pattern too, although I'll be making changes because it's worked flat,
and because I think the hook size it calls for is too small for TKS in worsted.
Of course it may be that the wool she recommends is lighter weight, or it may act differently. I haven't worked with wool in many decades,
and really have no use for it personally.
It's from Kim Guzman's book, seems that even though I thought the patterns are meh, my non crocheting friends like them "if you could just change this".
Sherry
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message #228
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 11, 2014 at 7:36:07 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #2)
Sherry,
LOL, you're so fickle!
LOL, me too. It's so boring to work on the same thing all the time!
Maybe we call it "CADD" - Crocheter's ADD.
Awww, I'm sure your hubby will really love having a Cowboys throw, and I'm glad you found the right color for it!
Cables done as squares? I can't picture it, but it sure sounds interesting!
And two different colors will make it
pop
so nicely! Deep gray and maroon are soooooooooo beautiful together.
What a lovely contrast with two colors that complement each other perfectly!
Oooh, so you're going to work the hat in the round, then?
Love that! Bleh, there's enough of seaming in way too many projects. I would work it in the round, too.
Is it me, or does TKS tend to work up very, very tight? And I'm not a tight crocheter, either...just the opposite! But anytime I look at TKS that I've done, it looks sooo tight. And that's using worsted, not something light weight.
So you're using wool, then?
I do like wool, but not the prices.
I also worry about the upkeep, since (unlike acrylic) you can't just throw it in the washer (unless it's superwash).
Argh, isn't that always the way...people always want changes! I can't blame your friends in a way, though...I don't usually make something up exactly as written. I almost always change something about it...did that with the dishcloths (and am still doing that, sigh). Nothing is ever "exactly" right! My mind's eye always sees things differently, though it's a far cry from doing it myself and being asked
to
change something...
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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message #229
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 12, 2014 at 9:53:43 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #3)
Melanie,
Love that!
CADD seems exactly right.
Yes I'm going to work the hat in the round, I just think hats in particular don't look right when seamed.
I'm not using wool, I'm using acrylic. I was just wondering, in font, if the wool she recommends is a much lighter worsted or if there is a "stretch factor".
Yes TKS is a
very
tight stitch, which is why I use a larger hook. I really don't want to make a "bullet proof" scarf.
I'm like you, I change everything anyway.
I really should keep those patterns hidden until I'm ready to take the requests though.
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message #230
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 12, 2014 at 6:54:48 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #4)
Sherry,
LOL, somehow, I don't mind being a CADD sufferer...and I'm guessing you don't, either!
At least it's fun!
True
...I totally agree with you. Hats really don't look right when seamed. There's always something "off," no matter how carefully you work.
And I know you hate seaming as much as I do...meh, why add something more (and tedious) to the job?!
Oh, good question! I never thought of the wool v acrylic question from quite that angle! Can you get wools in the right colors, and are they costly?
LOL, "bullet proof" scarf! Sigh, that's it. When I was figuring out my TKS gauge for the sweatshirt, with the idea of pulling the stitches from the bottom of the shirt, I didn't realize that 4 stitches to the inch actually was
quite
tight in Tunisian. Because really, despite its looks, it's not like a knit stitch. It's a very thick stitch. And it really needs to be worked on a far bigger hook than "normal" crochet. Plus, it also has that "extra" thread running through it, so to speak. Which helps make it thick and a tighter stitch.
I once used a size 3 cotton to knit a tiny doll cape...this is it:
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Talk about bullet proof! It was like knitting cardboard!
Which is exactly how I felt, now that I think about it, when I started using that H afghan hook with knitting worsted. It just wasn't fun...and TKS
should
be fun! But the stitches were so tight and the yarn may as well have been cardboard.
That's a great idea...don't show your patterns around until you know you'll be able to commit some time to the requested projects! Sigh, I do the same thing...I get so excited about something I've seen and I show it around when I'm not ready.
The thing is...how can one
not
change a pattern? There's always something, some small detail, that needs changing. Something where the mind's eye says, "I'd like this instead of that."
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #231
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 13, 2014 at 10:20:21 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #5)
Melanie,
I truly don't mind having it until I have so many WIPs going that I get overwhelmed by the number.
Which only happens once in awhile, like around the holidays.
What I remember about working with wool, way back when, is that it seemed thicker than the acrylics are and it was work to care for. But everything was back then.
One of the things I hated though is that it made my hands red and itchy, which is why I fell in love with the acrylics.
I don't know how much wool yarn has changed over the years, and I don't know if I want to go to the expense of finding out.
You can go up several sizes without effecting the width of the TKS much at all, for instance the pattern I'm working calls for an I hook and worsted wool to get a gauge of 17 pattern stitches per 4 inches.
I'm using an N hook with RH worsted and getting 17 pattern stitches per 4 inches.
Now if I wasn't working cables, it would be 16 st per 4 inches, or 4 st per inch.
But the stitches are looser and a bit taller, I'm still working out my changes so I haven't done enough rows to measure.
I did try it with a P hook and that took it to 15 pattern st per 4 inches, but I didn't care for the look of the cables with it.
That Red Riding Hood cape is just too cute!
Making "cardboard" like fabric is fine for dolls, I don't think I know any peoples that would wear it though.
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message #232
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 13, 2014 at 7:29:21 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #6)
Sherry,
I, too, get overwhelmed when there are too many things to do.
Especially around the holidays.
I never had a problem with wools, but then, I didn't have access to them for quite some time after I learned to crochet and knit. The ones I used were soft and didn't make me itch.
Now they have superwash wools, which are made to be washed! Unfortunately, it's not something I can get locally. Our LYS went away many years ago. All that are left around here are the big box stores, and I've never seen superwash in any of them, other than Wool Ease.
Which is fine, I guess, but I don't know that the wool content is very high!
Oooh, thanks for letting me know about the stitch count deal with TKS! I'm so glad the number doesn't change drastically with a bigger hook. All I know is that it was soooooo difficult to work with, and that stupid H hook being
way
too small was obviously the reason.
Is the P hook simply much too big?
I really haven't found much that works with the P hook...just once in a great while. So it's definitely nice to have, but it seems to mostly be the right size for the chunky yarns, not WW or smaller.
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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message #233
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 14, 2014 at 9:21:01 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #7)
Melanie,
Oh no, I used the P hook and RH worsted to make a scarf and it worked up beautifully.
It was a gift for granddaughter's hubby, and he adores it.
I'm going to use the P hook to make the Cowboys throw for my hubby as well.
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message #234
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 14, 2014 at 7:09:02 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #8)
Sherry,
Oooh, I
love
how that turned out! It really does look like knitting! Also love the ribbing on the ends.
No doubt your granddaughter's hubby adores it...who wouldn't?!
So does the ribbing counteract the curl? Is that TKS and TPS?
How did you do the sides, because those look really nice! I can never get my sides to look so perfectly even in TKS.
You must have some amazing secret!
I bet the Cowboys throw will go sooooooo nice and quickly with the P hook...and it will look just as great as the scarf!
BTW, did you use a regular P hook for that, or a P afghan hook? I don't think I ever had a P afghan hook that size in the hooks that got damaged. I had a regular P hook (
think
it made it, but don't remember), maybe about 6" long, and though it wasn't (or isn't) long and doesn't have a cap on the end, it would probably be able to work small pieces of Tunisian.
I actually had two such hooks...but lost one years ago.
Bought the two back when it was a choice of Woolworth's or yarn shops. I had found a hole-in-the-wall yarn shop on my way somewhere, and I was so elated to find the P crochet hooks, I bought two of them, knowing they would ultimately come in handy - and they did!
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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message #235
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 15, 2014 at 9:03:55 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #9)
Melanie,
Ok the "ribbing" is a simple TKS 2, TPS 2, repeat across. I think I did 4 rows like that before switching to straight TKS.
The sides are a simple sc with an I or J hook (can't remember for sure which). I would have preferred doing a sl st on the sides, but I was covering up the ends where I changed colors.
That is another "tip", when switching from tunisian (especially TKS) to standard crochet use a smaller hook.
I used a P afghan hook, I purchased it recently and don't ever remember seeing one years ago.
It's a flexible hook with (I think) a 32 inch "tail", so I should be able to work the throw in one piece.
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message #236
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 15, 2014 at 7:12:29 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #10)
Sherry,
Genius
! Because the whole thing - including the ribbing - looks knitted!
It's simple enough for a beginner, yet interesting enough for someone who has been crocheting a long time.
Love the sides...they don't even look like sc.
And they look much straighter and more "finished" than my TKS ever has!
And the color changes are smooth - they don't "step."
That's an excellent tip, to switch to a smaller hook, because it looks like you found the perfect equivalent to the P hook for TKS.
I've never seen a P afghan hook in any store, not even when I used to occasionally go to my now-long-gone LYS.
So I wonder if it's very, very new?
Wow, that's a fantastic size! I haven't had occasion to use them, but flexible hooks sound really good to me.
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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message #237
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 16, 2014 at 9:33:54 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #11)
Melanie.
Thank you, I try.
The color changes actually do "step" a little before edging it. I do my color change just before I pull through the last loop of the return so it's not a dramatic "step", but still noticeable.
Not a big deal really though, since I think tunisian always needs an edging of some sort.
The first loop of the row always gets a little bigger simply because of the nature of the technique, making it a little "wonkier" than the other end.
This one is very new for sure, it's the "Crochet Dude" brand (which is Boye), and it's pricier. Which is why I resisted buying it at first, but now I'm glad I finally did.
They also make a size Q, which I haven't bought yet.
They are availble at Jo Anne, but you never know which sizes they will have in stock.
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message #238
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 16, 2014 at 4:46:14 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #12)
Sherry,
And you succeed!
That's the only way I know of to change a color in crochet with the least amount of "stepping," to pull the last loop through with the new color.
And you're right, it's not a dramatic step, and I don't think it's noticeable...really, crochet isn't a totally smooth thing, anyway...stitches will be inherently lumpy, so you can't get 100% smooth from lumpy! The thing I always remember is crochet is made up of knots, unlike knitting, so there's a reason for the lumpiness...which is certainly an advantage in many ways...doesn't unravel easily, and it's nice and toasty warm for garments, particularly winter ones.
Yes, the first loop of the row is the one that has traditionally given me fits!
I
love
your solution to that.
I hate to ask...how pricey on that hook? I'm not sure they'd have it at our JoAnn's (sigh, not a superstore, just an old-timey small JoAnn's), but I might take a look next time we're there, see if they stock either size (guessing not, sigh).
Of course, I "need" both the P and the Q flexible afghan hooks, yanno?
I may never
use
them...but I "need" them!
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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message #239
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 17, 2014 at 8:44:34 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #13)
Melanie,
Yeah, I know.
I have both the L and P flexible hooks, the Q will be next.
They are about twice the price of straight afghan hooks IIRC, at around $7.
You're absolutely right about the nature of crochet not being smooth like knit, on the other hand, you can't "drop" a stitch either.
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message #240
Re: Tunisian gauge
January 17, 2014 at 10:18:44 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #14)
Sherry,
Ah, I see...you suffer from the same "needs" I do!
Ouch, that's a lot.
Sigh. Going to have to save up for this one. Where did you find the L hook?
Isn't that nice? You might miscount crochet, but even if you don't leave out a stitch without counting, there's not going to be a "run" like in a pair of pantyhose!
I love knitting, but not that part of it, sigh.
I was in JoAnn's and totally forgot to look at the hooks to see if there were any P or Q hooks.
Of course, I had someone complaining at me the whole time.
Oh, and isn't this nice...sounds like we're going to have
another
Arctic Vortex, and while it won't get
quite
as cold, it's going to be here for a longer time.
I'm so done with this winter.
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
~~~~~
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