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Re: Tunisian gauge
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #16
Re: Tunisian gauge
September 29, 2013 at 11:38:29 AM
Hey, hey Melanie,
Update as to the question of whether or not tunisian can be worked in the round with a flexible hook.......Yes it can.
It's a bit more difficult and I'm still working on some of the possible pitfalls, but it can be done
.
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message #17
Re: Tunisian gauge
September 29, 2013 at 8:13:42 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #1)
Sherry,
So glad we're on the same page about having fun!
There's enough "serious" stuff out there to worry about without adding to it by being pressured with crafts!
I'm so jealous...if you're talking about what I'm thinking of, I saw a few of those double-ended hooks at Michael's years ago (cable between the two hooks, right?), but they were way too expensive and ultimately were clearanced out. I was going to try buying them with a 40% off coupon, but by the time I had enough to cover the ridiculous price, even with 40% off, but unfortunately, they were gone.
I can no longer find them anywhere; even looked at the manufacturer's site at the time, and they didn't have them.
I'm very glad you may have figured out a way with the flexible cable needle, though!
Hoping those will be much easier to find!
Wow, that's
super
about your most important WIPs being finished today!
Woo hoo!
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #18
Re: Tunisian gauge
September 30, 2013 at 9:15:29 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #2)
Melanie,
Actually my double ended are straight, one of the issues I dislike with the flexible hooks is the yarn tends to "snag" at the juncture of the metal and the cable.
You know, it occurs to me that if I had a website, I'd affiliate with Simplicity and Herrschnerr's. Providing access to those hard to find supplies, and earning a little at the same time. They are both reputable companies that have been around for a very long time.
Just a thought.
So back to the tunisian in the round. In doing it with the flexible hook, you do end up with a visible "join", this is also where you could inadvertantly increase.
So it comes down to personal preference and what is available.
I work a lot in rounds, so I would search and search to find the double ended in anodized aluminum
, bet this just makes it about as clear as mud.
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message #19
Re: Tunisian gauge
September 30, 2013 at 5:48:40 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #3)
Sherry,
Hmm, so are you saying you're using two of the straight double-ended needles to crochet in the round, then? Work the one side, then continue on the other, then pick it up with the other hook? LOL, yes, I'm easily confused!
I wish I had all of my old hooks still...I'm sure I had some double ended ones, though I probably didn't have two of the same size of anything, sigh.
And I've struck out on finding the free patterns that I
know
I saw before, the things that were made from squares. The only teddy bear I could find was one made out of more than one square, yet the one I'd originally found was made from just one. Argh, maybe we should just make some kind of square...something? Try to come up with a gauge and make whatever...a simple purse or...?
I did find a pattern that I suspect will be way too tight of a gauge for the knitting worsted I have, but maybe it will work for figuring out a different gauge and just knitting to dimensions.
LOL, now, understand...I
despise
seaming. I don't know, maybe I'll do my seaming with a crocheted seam.
This is the pattern I found:
http://alpiknit.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/glimpse-of-springs-wrist-warmers/
That's a
fantastic
idea about Simplicity and Herrschnerr's...thanks!
Is the visible "join" kind of a "jog"? I wish I had one of those flexible hooks and could try it out to see what it looks like!
Wish I had my old hooks or could find some flexible ones so I could try out what you're talking about! It's a visible thing...trying to explain it in words is very difficult!
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #20
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 1, 2013 at 9:43:13 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #4)
Melanie,
No, it's one, with the same size hook on each end. So I just slide my work back and forth.
As soon as I have little time I'll take a couple of pictures to post.
I think your right about the hat pattern, however I think maybe a hat would be better than gloves in the worsted so we can start with it if you like.
I never thought about it that way, but I guess I despise seaming too
. Almost as much as I despise knots.
The visible join isn't a jog, it's an obvious difference between the join and the other stitches. It actually looks like a loose seam.
Now this was done with TKS, so the stitches were pretty tight, and I was just playing with it real quick to see if it could be done.
Maybe I'll play with it some more.
If you work a lot in rounds, I'd suggest the double ended straight hooks. The yarn glides back and forth without the frustration of snagging.
I only use my flexible ones for things like afghans where there are to many stitches to fit on a straight.
That being said, I also have to add that I detest the Susan Bates brand. The flexible end isn't that flexible, and is curved in such a way as to turn the hook in the wrong direction if there is any weight on it, causing you to have to work harder to keep it turned properly.
Argh! There's my rant
.
Sherry
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message #21
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 1, 2013 at 3:50:52 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #5)
Sherry,
Love those pics...thank you so much...it really helps!
So then it's basically simpler than I thought...work one side, then work the other...no need to work the entire round at once, unlike knitting, where you
must
do that.
Did I understand you correctly?
Lacking the proper type of hook to try this, I was wondering...might it be possible to work the rounds almost "diagonally"? In other words, instead of having that loose seam, how about starting a new round over on the next stitch, if it's possible? This way, perhaps if your join goes around, it might make it look less like a seam and more like a seamless piece. Of course, I could be completely off here, since this is something I can't really try.
Anyway, your marker could be kept in the same spot, so you always know where you started.
Hmmm, are there square or rectangular hats? LOL, confused...normal state of mind here.
Well, I got to thinking last night, and based on need, LOL, this is what I came up with. Not one, but two ideas!
Two for the price of one...woo hoo!
First: how about a simple, straight headband? I really need something to keep my hair out of my eyes, a ponytail holder doesn't cut it, so I'm thinking a plain TKS headband. Not sure yet about the tie ends...either a chain reinforced with singles or a knit I-cord.
What will
really
be good practice will be to figure out the edges. When I made that TKS scarf years ago, the one thing I was unable to master was that edge stitch. I suppose it could be fixed with a sc border. But that's kind of ordinary, ho hum. (Why take the easy way out when I can torture myself?! LOL!)
What do you do for your edges with TKS? How do you keep them from being too loose?
Matter of fact, I wonder if that's not why a piece done in the round ends up with what looks like a loose seam?
Technically, I might try two headbands, TV watching assignment for tonight!
Thinking this through, it might be fun to make one the long way, one the narrow way.
Second: a dishcloth. Not positive I want to waste such a thick, gorgeous fabric on a dishcloth, but I have some stinky cotton (scented, allegedly, but to me it just stinks!) and it would be nice to
get revenge on it
use it for dishcloths.
LOL, isn't seaming the
pits
?! Which is why much of my seaming is done with crochet. I made some knitted coasters for a wedding gift and really tried to sew them as the pattern indicated...ugh, disastrous (though the prototype became a useful, but not particularly picturesque, washcloth)! So I made a simple joining chain on subsequent coasters, where I thought it looked like a noticeable chain stitch, but hubby couldn't even tell where it had been joined and thought it looked great!
A crochet edging is nice for knitted seams, especially, IMO...it doesn't require finding a certain spot and not being sure of where the rows are...zip, zip, zip, it's done!
And it looks nice, too.
So what do you think of the headband/discloth ideas?
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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message #22
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 2, 2013 at 4:12:21 AM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #5)
Sherry,
Sigh, I didn't do well tonight.
I tried that stupid little headband strip, going the narrow way for the first piece, but I must have been doing something very wrong, because I ended up with too few stitches after the first couple of rows.
Ripped it out in frustration and now have to figure out why I can't do a lousy straight piece. On the bright side, the H hook worked just fine with the Red Heart acrylic, so at least there's that!
I didn't do a gauge swatch, since I eyeballed the size needed. I forget how many stitches...8...9. The stitches "lost" were on the left side...do you think it's the weird stitch on the left, that odd ch 1? It looked a little confusing. Is the end stitch "different"? I tried looking at a couple of videos, but nothing really clicked, because everything started with a foundation of work already done. Anyway, I'm not giving up...will try again tomorrow...just a bit frustrated that what I did X number of years ago is such a mystery all of a sudden!
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #23
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 2, 2013 at 8:11:03 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #7)
Melanie,
Yes you got it, you don't have to work the entire round at once
. Now if you're using a flexible hook, you must.
I think I understand what you mean about working it on a diagonal, it would kind of spiral, correct? I'll certainly give it a try and see what happens
.
I've seen hats worked flat and then seamed (one of the patterns in Kim Guzman's book is).
I love the idea of a headband, one of the things I've been thinking on anyway ( great minds think alike again!).
A dishcloth might be ok, I have never made one since I don't like wasting yarn on such things. Unless I had some I just really didn't care for.
About edges, I like to use post crochet. Just my preference here, I like the look better than anything else I've seen or tried.
Now, about your headband experiment. I could certainly tell better if I could see it and how you're doing it. The ch 1 at the end is necessary to prevent decreasing, my other question is are you inserting your hook into the proper place at the end to make the ch?
It doesn't go into the ch, but into the loop below it
Then there is the fact that the first couple of rows tend to look like it's decreasing, when in fact it's just "leaning" to the right.
For just playing around, I don't do gauge swatches either
.
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message #24
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 2, 2013 at 3:00:14 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #8)
Sherry,
Thanks for clearing that up...I was trying to picture how on earth to work an entire round with a straight hook...LOL, it didn't seem as if it would work!
With a flexible hook, I don't see how else it could be done, other than all at once. The trick would be to join it, but the flexible hook sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
I can't wait to hear how the spiral works out!
Thanks to beading for that idea...in a certain kind of stitch, working "tubular" means "stepping up," so the pattern spirals over one for every row. A pattern graph that shows the "beginning" of every row has dots that literally go in a diagonal line.
Oh, I see...LOL, I couldn't picture a square hat, but then, I wasn't thinking of that hated seaming.
Hee hee, I'm so glad we're on the same wavelength with the headband!
I would tend to use cotton yarn for a dishcloth. I don't know that acrylic would be all that good...it probably wouldn't wear well with all of the washing, and am guessing it would also start to pick up the smells. I have some beautiful cotton that I bought a year or so ago, but it's "scented" and totally stinks. Hoping everyday use of it, soaping it up and rinsing it out, would cause it to no longer stink.
Post single or double crochet for the edging? Do you do this with TKS specifically, to cover up those sort of wonky/loose edges?
I didn't save what I had worked on...but I swear, there was one less stitch each time. I plan to try again tonight. Must figure out what's going wrong...thanks...I'll check out that last chain and where the hook is going at the end. That may be it!
It would be wonderful if it was just "leaning," but I seem to recall having fewer stitches.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who eyeballs work when messing around with it, rather than swatching! I didn't have to worry with mini/amigurumi stuff, since it didn't matter exactly how big anything turned out...small was fine, so I used whatever was comfortable. (I stopped because my hands kept cramping to work that tiny.) I don't tend to bother for stuffed toys in general...or small doll clothes, because it's easier to make something new or add a few crochet rows than to swatch for something that's far smaller. Even baby blankets...I just eyeball them and make it up off the top of my head, and I make them huge, too. LOL, no wonder I like to make those kinds of things...it's the lazy woman's way of getting around swatching!
I'll let you know how tonight's experimenting works out.
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #25
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 3, 2013 at 9:24:05 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #9)
Melanie,
You're right about the cotton yarn being more appropriate for a dishcloth, this is where the really frugal side of me comes out.
The cotton yarn seems a bit pricey to me, for the amount of yarn. I've never been able to bring myself to buy it.
So I've not worked with cotton since I got to where I couldn't see it on my steel hooks anymore.
I make a lot of things without swatching, afghans and baby blankets, toys, etc. and I too make the larger blankets
.
It seems afghans are much smaller today than they once were, however I still make them larger as well.
I've been swatching a lot lately though, for certain things. And I know I have to do it to make patterns, blah.
I'm using fpsc or fpdc on all of my tunisian work, it covers those "wonky" edges nicely
.
Sometimes the bp crochet looks nice as well. I didn't like the standard bind off, so I started playing with the post crochet.
Also, I don't like the look of crocheting back and forth to make ribbing.
In my head, I can even see a round of bpdc to frame out an afghan and create a nice even base for edging.
Here's a pic that gives the general idea. This hat was started with a dch and worked from the bottom to the crown in TKS. Then 1 round of bpsc and 1 round of fpdc added to the base. Not perfect, but I like the look.
Sherry
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #26
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 3, 2013 at 12:30:21 PM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #9)
So Melanie, all this talk about headbands and cotton got me thinking. I still have some pretty, silver size 5 cotton thread I couldn't bring myself to part with and I got to wondering about doing a headband in that.
I'm using a G hook and it's coming out nice. The beginning and the edges are a little wonkier than I would like, but I've not worked with anything that small in a long time so I'm hoping it will straighten up and behave itself as I go along
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message #27
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 3, 2013 at 4:24:55 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #10)
Sherry,
The hat looks
fantastic
! Love the color, too...the stitching looks wonderful!
You're absolutely right about the price of cotton for what you get.
I've been using a lot of cotton lately, only because it seems to fit in best with what I'm working on, like dishcloths or coasters or whatever. (I use worsted weight cotton, though...not very much of that small stuff...blergh, while it's good for certain things, it's just way too small otherwise!
)
Oh, exactly...do you also figure on things that aren't going to be worn, "Why bother swatching?" I mean, come on, how much larger or smaller is that toy or baby blanket going to be if I don't swatch it out? Is anyone going to notice? If I make, say, a teddy bear as a gift for an adult friend (something I really am going to be doing soon!), is she realistically going to say, "Wow, this is an inch smaller than I was picturing in my mind"? Considering the baby blankets I make are usually a stitch pattern I pick out and then work as whatever comes to my twisted little mind, LOL, is anyone going to look at it and say, "That baby blanket is just too big"? Of course not!
When I first started crocheting, I didn't know much about swatching, other than it seemed an awfully evil process
, but now that I know what I do, I know better than to waste my time with something that really doesn't matter.
Better to save the swatching for something that is going to be worn, something that absolutely can't be made too large or too small!
Glad to know I'm not the only one making large baby blankets. Probably about the first one I ever made was so huge, I'm guessing the people were still using it when the kid was 8 or 9, maybe older! It was the right size for a twin-size bed, to give you an idea.
And
I'd made it with fingering weight yarn. Yes, it was insanity! It took years...I had made it with someone in mind, and let's just say I no longer had contact with that someone by the time I finished it.
I
really
need to start messing around with the FPDC/BPDCs and the FPSC/BPSCs, as well! I'm
enchanted
by how well the hat turned out! It's the
perfect
finish.
The thing I mainly don't like about crocheted ribbing is how it's not all that elastic (talking about the "fake" FPDC/BPDC type of ribbing). I did see something on TV years ago, though, that advised using a slip stitch for ribbing. I've never tried it...but am anxious to, because it's very stretchy! IIRC, you slip stitch into the front or back loops...but I don't remember, which is where the experimenting comes in, hmm. Should have tried it upon first seeing it, so as to be able to speak authoritatively about it, rather than simply storing it in the back of my mind for later use!
Your headband sounds
gorgeous
! I love gold and silver, especially...they always look sonice and elegant! I can't wait to see how it turns out! Are you going to finish off the edges with some kind of FP/BP thing?
I've got plain old acrylic for my headband.
If I can scrounge it up, I could try some worsted weight cotton. Next size down that I have is size 10, so nothing in between...size 5 actually sounds like the
ideal
size for such a project!
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #28
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 4, 2013 at 10:19:39 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #12)
Melanie,
Thank you, I've used variations of the fp to finish both of the hats and sweaters. I'll be posting pictures when they are completed.
I still have to make buttons, due to my previous life as a respiratory therapist I'm acutely aware of choking hazards for little ones, so I don't like little buttons.
Granddaughter and I decided that I should try crocheting little "barrels" in a complimentary color, with a loop closure.
The headband is coming out nice, what's cool is that I can do it on a standard crochet hook.
With the thread being so small, all the loops fit. It's 12 stitches across almost 2 inches.
I started with an afghan hook, but it was so unwieldy with the tiny threads
.
Then because I'm kinda screwy, I decided that I had to see what it looked like with cables.
Well, that's nice too. The thing is that I have to wear my magnifier to see it, and even then after about 30 min. it get's blurry. So I want to add something that gets even harder to see for a row or 2?
Well, upshot is, it was a good idea that I'm not going to finish. I'm probably going to give that thread to one of my younger students now.
But then I was thinking yesterday that a nice wide one in acrylic might be just what I need to cover my ears a bit in colder weather.
When I get to the finishing point, I'll try that slst to see how it looks. If I don't like it I can always pull it out and redo it.
The thing about all the "rules" in crochet (or anything else) is that once you know them and the purpose they serve, then you can throw them out and get creative. Because you know which one's are important where.
I even make my hats without swatching. I start from the bottom so I have the circumference right, then just work up to get the crown height.
I understand what you mean about a fingering weight blanket, I keep thinking I'd love to do one for my hubby with the Cowboys logo in that, then I argue with myself about how long that would take. I've just about decided that I have to do it in a light worsted.
But I like the larger ones for babies too, I think it's nice if they can use it longer.
So far my cable making pics have been kind of blurry, still working on something useful
.
Sherry
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message #29
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 4, 2013 at 11:05:53 PM (in response to BetwixtTheStitch message #13)
Sherry,
First...success!
I had looked up the stitch and was apparently doing it all wrong...misunderstood the directions. So now I'm doing it correctly...though the left edge seems a bit wonky, so am thinking of ripping out the handful of rows I actually managed to do and starting again with fewer stitches so adding sc or something on the edges won't make it too wide.
Not sure yet.
Super...those hats and sweaters are going to look so fantastic, and I can't wait to see them!
I think that's a great idea to make crocheted buttons, perhaps the barrel and loop idea you had mentioned. Kids love to put everything in their mouths...LOL, cats, too! (I had bought a mini sock monkey for a friend, showed it to the kitty, expecting her to sniff it politely...nope, she bit the poor sock monkey's face!
I also showed her a piece of beadwork...again, with the biting. It really would be nice to know ahead of time what they'll sniff at and what they're going to bite.)
It's too bad Velcro messes up yarn...it grabs those fibers and pulls them way out of shape.
I understand about the headband...it would be very hard to see with thin thread like that.
I do like your idea of using an acrylic yarn!
Yes, please let me know how you get on with the sl st ribbing! I actually wasn't thinking of the fp/bp stitches that weren't stretchy like knit ribbing...though those aren't, either...I was actually thinking of the front/back
loop
, but same difference. I haven't found anything terribly stretchy, so am hoping the sl st works!
Hee hee, I'm so glad you said what you did about throwing out the rules, because I always do!
Don't get me wrong...if I had to make something to fit, I would swatch or whatever, but for the headband that I work the wide way, I'm going to live dangerously and eyeball it!
I'm
so glad to hear the hats work out fine without swatching!
I
definitely
agree with you about using light worsted as opposed to fingering weight for a blanket for your husband. Fingering weight would take...f-o-r-e-v-e-r!
Better to use light worsted or even worsted. I'm sure the pattern will look just fine with a larger yarn.
On the baby blankets, I figure (and am guessing you agree) as long as I'm making something, if I make it too small, it's less of a gift and more of a frustration, because if it's too small, it won't last. It really doesn't take
that
much extra time to make it bigger...but also, these days I
don't
use fingering yarn...I use worsted or light worsted weight. That's where the handy Simply Soft comes in (I consider it a light ww). Last two or three baby blankets were all made with Simply Soft. It still took time, but not as long as that fingering weight...bleah! At least the Simply Soft took about a week or two, IIRC...it was a few years ago, so I don't remember anymore, but compared to that fingering weight blanket, it was such a relief to have it done in a relatively short amount of time! LOL, I'm getting too old to spend years and years on a project.
It's hard to take a good, sharp picture! Especially of anything stitched. LOL, the stuff must be squirming, knowing it's being photographed.
Melanie (cat slave and Official Feline Can Opener) =^.^=
~~~~~
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BetwixtTheStitch
message #30
Re: Tunisian gauge
October 5, 2013 at 9:59:18 AM (in response to Stitchboard Admin message #14)
Melanie,
So glad that headband idea is working out for you.
The elasticity of the post crochet is largely dependent on the yarn. A stiffer yarn will have less elasticity, and I suspect the same is true of the slst.
I've used the slst often in my toy patterns to create "bends", as in an elbow for instance, and I do see a difference depending on the yarn.
Weather is finally going to be cool enough for me to finish the huge baby blanket today, yay
.
My other assignment is to try and get better pics for the cables. I suspect the blurriness is more about me not using a tripod than the stitches themselves
.
However I'm going to try it using 2 different colors in the hopes that it will be clearer (in a couple of ways
).
I agree with you about the Simply Soft being a light worsted. Another case where the number classification gets a fail.
Sherry
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